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In this episode of The Atlas Obscura Podcast, host Dylan Thuras sits down with guest Blake Pfeil about what inspired him to begin exploring abandoned spots, what those spaces have taught him about escapism, sobriety, and the sometimes blurry line between real and unreal that he finds there.

Blake is an artist and adventurer. He’s also the creator and host of the podcast Abandoned: All-American Ruins.

Our podcast is an audio guide to the world’s wondrous, awe-inspiring, strange places. In under 15 minutes, we’ll take you to an incredible site, and along the way you’ll meet some fascinating people and hear their stories. Join us daily, Monday through Thursday, to explore a new wonder with cofounder Dylan Thuras and a neighborhood of Atlas Obscura reporters.

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