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In this episode of The Atlas Obscura Podcast, host Dylan Thuras chats with author and podcaster Malcolm Gladwell about a beloved Disney movie, and the deeper questions it raises about the stories we tell ourselves—and our children—about places real and imaginary.

You can listen to Malcolm Gladwell’s series on The Little Mermaid and other stories in the latest season of Revisionist History.

Our podcast is an audio guide to the world’s wondrous, awe-inspiring, strange stories. In under 15 minutes, we’ll tell you an incredible story, and along the way you’ll meet some fascinating people and hear their stories. Join us daily, Monday through Thursday, to explore a new wonder with cofounder Dylan Thuras and a neighborhood of Atlas Obscura reporters.